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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 14:39:54 GMT -5
some trivial info for those that care...
Rollo came and left King Cove yesterday headed for Bristol Bay Kodiak arrived in King Cove today,will tender around here for a while before going to Prince William Sound Saga is enroute to King Cove from Kodiak,and I believe Elliot is running it, although I heard the owner had to fly to Kodiak before they left for some reason.
And not related to DC,..a high school friend of mine showed up here yesterday running a tender for the company I work for. Thought that was kinda cool
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Post by jacourt on Jun 13, 2014 16:09:28 GMT -5
THE OWNER? ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 16:20:04 GMT -5
THE OWNER? ? yes,the owner
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Post by greatlakesgirl on Jun 13, 2014 17:54:04 GMT -5
Co-owner?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 18:24:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure if he is a co-owner or not, but I know he is at least the majority owner, and I believe he is the sole owner. Elliot did not buy the Saga as DC would lead you to believe.
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Post by greatlakesgirl on Jun 13, 2014 19:03:19 GMT -5
That's why I doubted Josh's ownership of the CM.
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Post by minariva on Jun 14, 2014 2:32:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure if he is a co-owner or not, but I know he is at least the majority owner, and I believe he is the sole owner. Elliot did not buy the Saga as DC would lead you to believe.
Thanks a lot with that, a kind of question the idea that Elliot brought the Saga, with all of his legal troubles, no legit bank would take out a loan that big with his checked history. How I wondered who is the person who owns the Saga really and what type of business they are in to be able to afford to make those type of payments. Also King Cove do you know how much the Saga sole for including her quota? I am just wondering.
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Post by devilstattoo on Jun 14, 2014 19:12:38 GMT -5
The majority owner is Lenny Herzog. He's an investment banker and has never fished. He owns several other boats including the Ramblin Rose, Tempo Sea, and Aleutian Sable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 21:10:47 GMT -5
The majority owner is Lenny Herzog. He's an investment banker and has never fished. He owns several other boats including the Ramblin Rose, Tempo Sea, and Aleutian Sable. actually..Lenny is a lawyer
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Post by devilstattoo on Jun 14, 2014 22:06:32 GMT -5
Ahh I knew it was one or the other, but I gambled on the wrong one!
EDIT: And with a little research...it says he's 100% owner. However the site also says Elliot still has 33% of the Rose, which is quite bizarre as the other owners forced him out and gave the keys to Bob Perkey.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 22:33:12 GMT -5
Ahh I knew it was one or the other, but I gambled on the wrong one! EDIT: And with a little research...it says he's 100% owner. However the site also says Elliot still has 33% of the Rose, which is quite bizarre as the other owners forced him out and gave the keys to Bob Perkey. One of the other owners of the Ramblin Rose was the guy that told me that Elliot "couldn't catch crabs in a whore house" I believe Bob Perkey might be the guy that ran the Kodiak for a while after Bill got off, does that sound right to you?
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Post by devilstattoo on Jun 14, 2014 22:56:05 GMT -5
Murray Gamrath hopped on the Kodiak after Bill I believe. Perkey left the Seabrooke for the Rose as soon as Elliott was fired and brought his son, Geno, Kurt Olson, and I believe Derek Haist to fish on it.
EDIT: And even after further research. Saga Productions is 50/50 between Lenny and Elliott. So there is truth to his claim that he "owns" it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 9:59:56 GMT -5
Murray Gamrath hopped on the Kodiak after Bill I believe. Perkey left the Seabrooke for the Rose as soon as Elliott was fired and brought his son, Geno, Kurt Olson, and I believe Derek Haist to fish on it. EDIT: And even after further research. Saga Productions is 50/50 between Lenny and Elliott. So there is truth to his claim that he "owns" it. I know there was at least one guy on the Kodiak for crab before Murray, and I can't recall his name. I'm thinking now that I was wrong about Perkey on the Kodiak, I think he ran the Tempo Sea for tendering a couple years ago. I'm hoping to find out today who is running the Kodiak this year for tendering. I stepped out my back door this morning and saw the Kodiak at the dock nearest my house.
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Post by greatlakesgirl on Jun 15, 2014 11:47:16 GMT -5
Almost seems like I'm in Dutch Harbor myself, listening to a couple salty fishermen shoot the sh*t. Haha Gotta love all this info we get from these guys who are really there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 16:25:31 GMT -5
I'm hoping to find out today who is running the Kodiak this year for tendering. I stepped out my back door this morning and saw the Kodiak at the dock nearest my house. Found out the guy running the Kodiak now is new to the area, and doesn't know his way around here too well, but he does have an experienced engineer on board that does know the area. So,nobody we know is on board.
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Post by xSomersetGirlxx on Jun 18, 2014 15:08:13 GMT -5
according to this : www.facebook.com/FVSagaDC/info ... The Saga Fishing Vessel featured on Deadliest Catch is owned by Elliott Neese and Lenny Herzog.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 19:09:28 GMT -5
The Saga just arrived in King Cove. Elliot is not on board. Bob Perkey, who has been mentioned in previous posts, is running the boat.
I'm told that Elliot was in Kodiak supposedly helping the boat get ready for tendering, but spent more time sleeping than he did working on the boat
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Post by bentwillow on Jun 18, 2014 19:44:44 GMT -5
Oh-oh. Hope that he hasn't fallen off the wagon.
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Post by doder on Jun 18, 2014 21:13:23 GMT -5
Oh-oh. Hope that he hasn't fallen off the wagon. addicts take years to regain control of their lives. rehab centers are not much more than scams. all the "counseling" and "therapy" is useless until the addict decides to heal themselves.
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Post by Maribegood on Jun 19, 2014 7:50:46 GMT -5
Addicts need a rehab center or a hospital to detox safely. Alcohol withdrawal can literally kill you if you are a long term alcoholic and you stop cold turkey. Same with withdrawal from a lot of opiates. But you are right about addicts often needing years to pull their lives back together. Thirty, sixty, ninety days in a program is not going to keep you clean once you are released if your head and heart a aren't both onboard.
When an addict goes into a program to appease someone else or stay out of jail, it's the equivalent of flushing money down a toilet. Pointless waste.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 9:16:23 GMT -5
I've neglected to mention that the Kiska Sea has been tied up here in King Cove the whole time I've been here this year. I've learned that the crew is going to be here today, along with Mike's wife, and they are going to take the boat somewhere. I hope to get some time to talk with Mike while they are here.
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Post by greatlakesgirl on Jun 19, 2014 17:48:23 GMT -5
Addicts need a rehab center or a hospital to detox safely. Alcohol withdrawal can literally kill you if you are a long term alcoholic and you stop cold turkey. Same with withdrawal from a lot of opiates. But you are right about addicts often needing years to pull their lives back together. Thirty, sixty, ninety days in a program is not going to keep you clean once you are released if your head and heart a aren't both onboard. When an addict goes into a program to appease someone else or stay out of jail, it's the equivalent of flushing money down a toilet. Pointless waste. This is absolutely correct Mari.
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Post by anitalalouise on Jun 19, 2014 17:53:18 GMT -5
Addicts need a rehab center or a hospital to detox safely. Alcohol withdrawal can literally kill you if you are a long term alcoholic and you stop cold turkey. Same with withdrawal from a lot of opiates. But you are right about addicts often needing years to pull their lives back together. Thirty, sixty, ninety days in a program is not going to keep you clean once you are released if your head and heart a aren't both onboard. When an addict goes into a program to appease someone else or stay out of jail, it's the equivalent of flushing money down a toilet. Pointless waste. I couldn't agree more. And Elliott pre-rehab talked about doing it for Val and for his dad, but never for himself. I had hoped once he got in there he realized it had to be for himself. Sleeping all day doesn't necessarily mean he relapsed though. He could have depression or was maybe just sick.
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Post by lonesomerhodes on Jun 19, 2014 18:27:28 GMT -5
Ready for the sobering odds, which affirm the notion that rehab is near-futile?
The rate of abstinence (zero use of substance), for one year thereafter, of those who have completed at least two-weeks of in-house treatment?
THREE percent. For three years +? ONE percent.
The only proven, workable, method for sobriety is a spiritual approach, eg AA and its 12 Steps. Even here, the overwhelming number of addicts/users experience fits and starts. I've heard hundreds of stories of folks who get some time, blow it, try again, blow it, and on and on and on. In-house treatments are, except for the medical oversight, pretty much a null value.
What it takes is a sincere and massive desire to not use, and the introduction of real hope that it can be done. Typically, this involves destroying the ego that got the addict into trouble in the first place, and replacing it with a humility that puts other things ahead of the needs of the tyrannical self.
The first three steps can be broken down into this: I can't. He (God) can. I think I'll let Him.
Please trust me on this - when you see/meet a truly recovering person, it is unmistakable. All blame is self-directed and massive gratitude is given to their fellows who are showing them real love as they patiently give assurances over and over and over that they can manage their problem.
I saw some of this with Edgar's brief discussion with Bill on The Bait. He took absolutely ZERO credit - went to some length to refuse it - and in a very even manner declared the challenge facing (in this case) Elliot was enormous. This was not the Edgar who loves to lord it over Jake Anderson (mostly out of familial love, imo) and not the Edgar who demands that Sig give him the chair. (The building of such resentments can be fatal to an addict, whether they are actually getting screwed over or not. They can not afford the luxury of entitlement/anger) Anyway, the Edgar I saw on the show this week is an Edgar who has a real shot at being the 1 percent. Awesome! Truly awesome.
For me, the contrast of the reports on Eliott is striking. And scary.
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Post by greatlakesgirl on Jun 20, 2014 5:09:30 GMT -5
Wow. those are some depressing odds.
I have a friend who is an alcoholic. Now up to a fifth a day. If he dosnt have it he starts to shake and sweat. He will tell you he will drink himself to death before even considering getting help. I love him but can no longer take the pain of watching him slowly die. (not to mention the lies, excuses and deceit that go along w addiction) Kudos to Edgars wife for sticking with him through all of it. She is a stronger woman than I.
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Post by bentwillow on Jun 20, 2014 8:45:02 GMT -5
Wow. those are some depressing odds. I have a friend who is an alcoholic. Now up to a fifth a day. If he dosnt have it he starts to shake and sweat. He will tell you he will drink himself to death before even considering getting help. I love him but can no longer take the pain of watching him slowly die. (not to mention the lies, excuses and deceit that go along w addiction) Kudos to Edgars wife for sticking with him through all of it. She is a stronger woman than I. Your friend has to learn the consequences of his actions. It is his choice to die by alcohol but it does not have to be your choice to watch that happen. Standing by an alcoholic who continues to drink only enables their behavior. You would do your friend a huge service by walking away.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 9:33:55 GMT -5
As the Saga sits here for the last couple days with Elliot not on board,the stories from last year are surfacing. Everyone that ever dealt with Elliot and the Saga in any capacity, from dock crew, to management from the company he tendered for, to fishermen that delivered to him, all say that the Saga last year was one of the worst tenders around. Elliot could not service the fishermen properly, could not keep his buying records straight, and was a general screw up.
As of late last night the Saga is ready for tendering. Everyone is happy with the current skipper, but are dreading the day when Elliot comes back to run the boat for the second half of the season. I will keep y'all posted!
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Post by islander on Jun 20, 2014 11:52:58 GMT -5
As of late last night the Saga is ready for tendering. King Cove, hope you don’t mind a dumb question, but don’t understand the term ‘tendering’. To me, a tender is a smaller ‘servant’ boat of some kind, to a larger vessel. IE on cruise ships, passengers are ‘tendered’ into ports with no deep sea dock. Is a crab boat considered a ‘tender’ to the company that buys their catch? Tks
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 13:37:48 GMT -5
As of late last night the Saga is ready for tendering. King Cove, hope you don’t mind a dumb question, but don’t understand the term ‘tendering’. To me, a tender is a smaller ‘servant’ boat of some kind, to a larger vessel. IE on cruise ships, passengers are ‘tendered’ into ports with no deep sea dock. Is a crab boat considered a ‘tender’ to the company that buys their catch? Tks A salmon tender is a boat that is hired by a processor. Generally the tender is paid a daily rate by the processor. The tender travels to the fishing grounds which may be many hours travel away from the processing plant. There could be dozens of boats on the grounds. They have certified scales on board, and they sort by salmon species and weigh and record the amount of pounds for each fishing vessel. They bring the fish and the buying records (aka fish tickets) to the processor and the processor eventually pays the fishermen for the fish. The tender can also supply fuel and water to the boats, as well as deliver grocery or parts previously ordered by the fishing boat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 13:42:46 GMT -5
I've neglected to mention that the Kiska Sea has been tied up here in King Cove the whole time I've been here this year. I've learned that the crew is going to be here today, along with Mike's wife, and they are going to take the boat somewhere. I hope to get some time to talk with Mike while they are here. Got to chat with Mike for a few minutes. He's much more calm and relaxed than I'm used to seeing him when he has crab on board! He's had four months off, now they are coming up to take the boat back to Newport, OR for some maintenance and will be there until just before King Crab. We may meet for dinner or something while my wife and I are vacationing on the Oregon coast in September.
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