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Post by doder on Jun 20, 2015 17:14:11 GMT -5
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Post by nannyb on Jun 20, 2015 17:41:53 GMT -5
Great article. Made me want to cry. I miss Captain Phil. There was something about him that made him different from the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 18:16:50 GMT -5
"hero"? "such a sweet guy,"?
"Greatest Reality TV Personality of All Time"?
Really???
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Post by doder on Jun 20, 2015 18:45:07 GMT -5
"hero"? "such a sweet guy,"? "Greatest Reality TV Personality of All Time"? Really??? i had the same thoughts. |
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Post by bentwillow on Jun 20, 2015 19:00:14 GMT -5
Whether or not Phil was a sweet guy is really irrelevant. He was real - and I think that is what made him appealing. He was a very flawed guy and he was open about that. He was also very smart in a weird sort of way - which should make us recognize that not all drug addicts/ alcoholics or misfits should be discounted. With the right set of circumstances, they can be very successful (think: Elliot).
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Post by darianagle on Jun 20, 2015 19:29:28 GMT -5
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Post by scottsgirl on Jun 20, 2015 20:11:11 GMT -5
I miss Phil. He was who he was, and many of us still love him. He was a genuinely likeable person. He and Sig Hansen will always be my favorite captains.
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Post by BeeBee on Jun 21, 2015 9:28:50 GMT -5
After thinking about it, I have to agree that he was the greatest reality personality. The whole story arc of his life over those few years followed by his shocking death was incredible. And all the little intimate details of real, real life, no playing to the camera -- like his reaction to Jake's shaky admission of having a drug problem or his apology to Josh for not being a better father or his skill at building elaborate birdhouses.
He was up against Gordon Ramsay, of all people. Seriously? Aw, Phil would've kicked him in the fart bubble area.
Cue Johnny Cash.....
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Post by crabber on Jun 21, 2015 11:48:08 GMT -5
I can understand why Phil would appeal to everyone. However, after learning he knew his kids, particularly Jake, were being physically abused by their step-mother for years and years and did nothing - I have a problem thinking he was a great guy. "Nice guys or sweet people" do not stand by and let something like that happen. I am sorry, but I cannot get passed that. I know most people will not agree with me....
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Post by darianagle on Jun 21, 2015 13:46:24 GMT -5
I can understand why Phil would appeal to everyone. However, after learning he knew his kids, particularly Jake, were being physically abused by their step-mother for years and years and did nothing - I have a problem thinking he was a great guy. "Nice guys or sweet people" do not stand by and let something like that happen. I am sorry, but I cannot get passed that. I know most people will not agree with me.... I DO agree, Crabber. The Phil we saw was the one Discovery WANTED us to see: jovial, kindly, and a "great guy" all around. I quit trusting in "On Camera Personae" long, LONG ago. |
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Post by greatlakesgirl on Jun 21, 2015 17:46:57 GMT -5
Back when we first fell for Phil, we only knew that Discovery persona. Had we known about the abuse and neglect the boys suffered, from the beginning, he would not have had the fan following that he did.
"Hero" is definitely not the word I would use to describe Phil Harris, but I do miss watching the tv Phil on Tues nights.
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Post by lonesomerhodes on Jun 22, 2015 0:02:10 GMT -5
Phil had benefit of a redemptive arc. Was it legit, or was he just playing at it? To me, if he were just acting, the man deserves a posthumous Emmy.
He was always, to me, the kind of guy I'd love to know as an acquaintance. He'd be the perfect guy to hang out with at a saloon, listening to stories. But, I would be super careful to not come to depend on his support. I would never become invested in friendship.
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Post by anitalalouise on Jun 22, 2015 5:37:00 GMT -5
I think Phil was not a simple character - he was many things, and the guy we saw on TV was him, but the guy who neglected his children because drugs and fishing were more important was also him. Hero? Probably not. But probably not a monster either.
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Post by Maribegood on Jun 22, 2015 6:34:43 GMT -5
I think Phil was not a simple character - he was many things, and the guy we saw on TV was him, but the guy who neglected his children because drugs and fishing were more important was also him. Hero? Probably not. But probably not a monster either. You put my thoughts down better than I could have. The charming man we saw was indeed real. So was the alcoholic and drug addict who allowed his sons to be abused. The same person. He obviously was trying to make some things up to his sons. The guilt weighed down on him enough that he could not let go until Josh released him. He had stated more than once on camera that he was no saint, but we weren't listening at the time. |
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Post by nannyb on Jun 22, 2015 8:15:01 GMT -5
Part of what was good about Phil was that he admitted his shortcomings. A person does not have to be perfect in order for me to like him.
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Post by lcb on Jun 23, 2015 15:22:41 GMT -5
Sorry everyone...my vote would be for Mike Rowe! :-)
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Post by darianagle on Jun 23, 2015 17:28:34 GMT -5
Sorry everyone...my vote would be for Mike Rowe! :-) I'll take Troy Landry from "Swamp People".... ."Shoot 'im, Lizabeth....SHOOT 'IM!!!" |
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Post by junebuggyz on Jun 23, 2015 17:56:05 GMT -5
Steve Irwin or Marlon Perkins (if you're old enough to remember him!)
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Post by darianagle on Jun 23, 2015 18:05:44 GMT -5
Steve Irwin or Marlon Perkins (if you're old enough to remember him!) Thanks, Junebuggy: I forgot about Marlon and Steve. Steven apparently made over 200 appearances on Discovery...Crikey!! |
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Post by greatlakesgirl on Jun 24, 2015 11:14:39 GMT -5
Marlon Perkins..Mutual of Omaha's wild kingdom? I used to watch that on Sunday nights before Disney came on. When I was really young.
I do remember the first episode of Sesame Street. I was 4.
How about Fred Rogers?
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Post by crabber on Jun 24, 2015 11:54:20 GMT -5
I was wondering who Marlon Perkins was. We watched Wild Kingdom when I was small too. My Dad loved the show.
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Post by junebuggyz on Jun 24, 2015 13:02:04 GMT -5
I was wondering who Marlon Perkins was. We watched Wild Kingdom when I was small too. My Dad loved the show. We watched it at my Grandma's. She got a whopping 2 channels back then. And poor Jim Fowler who did all the dirty work...  |
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Post by anitalalouise on Jun 24, 2015 14:18:19 GMT -5
I was wondering who Marlon Perkins was. We watched Wild Kingdom when I was small too. My Dad loved the show. I loved how Marlin would always send Jim into the dangerous animal situation while he stood back and watched. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 21:25:10 GMT -5
I've forwarded this link to a few of my crab fishing friends, and they have all laughed and said how ridiculous this is. |
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Post by greatlakesgirl on Jun 25, 2015 4:48:23 GMT -5
I take it Phil was not well liked among the fishing community?
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Post by jc836 on Jun 25, 2015 7:30:39 GMT -5
In keeping with the Title of this thread - I believe that Phil was the embodiment of both good and flawed. Several of the suggestions are for those who were documentary storytellers - and very good at it. The current head of the class could well be Mike Rowe. Her is a man who actually went and got into the activity and gave us insight into real peoples lives. He is still doing that in yet another way via CNN and his foundation. BTW: I remember TV in its infancy and how Wild Kingdom and other shows were done. Do you think that Walter Cronkite was great - think his reporting of the most tragic event in my lifetime (Kennedy). That is reality to the extreme along with NASA events.
I think Phil Harris' story is genuine and the editing was superb at the end of his life. Whether he was a great fisherman/crabber/captain or birdhouse maker - he was very real and honest. Those attributes are the basis of his greatness.
So for a Poll I would have Mike Rowe and Phil Harris together (Mike did tell part of the story you know).
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Post by nannyb on Jun 25, 2015 8:47:50 GMT -5
This contest was for Greatest Reality TV Personality -- not the most noble or the best father, etc. And for that, I believe Captain Phil deserves the recognition, because he was REAL. We know that so much of the reality stuff on TV is faked. But he was not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 9:14:50 GMT -5
I take it Phil was not well liked among the fishing community? This is a fair statement |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 9:19:43 GMT -5
I believe Captain Phil deserves the recognition, because he was REAL. We know that so much of the reality stuff on TV is faked. But he was not. Everyone is entitled to their belief. A lot of what we saw on TV was not real. |
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Post by sciencer on Jun 25, 2015 10:32:39 GMT -5
I just try to remember that DC is entertainment (and therefore part storytelling) and not a documentary. We keep complaining about all the manufactured drama. Pulling at heartstrings is what good storytelling is all about. We have to take everything we see with a grain of salt.
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