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Post by pamd on Apr 17, 2013 2:54:29 GMT -5
That tantalizing tidbit from last evening regarding Jake's problems interfering with Josh's ability to acquire the Cornelia Marie outright, leads me to believe that a great deal of this year's screen time will be devoted to the saga (sorry Elliot, wrong saga) of the Harris Brother's, and the inception, and continuation/conclusion of this "three year plan" to make the C.M. a "Harris-only" property.
From executive producer David Pritikin, a possibly misleading spoiler...
Quote: Only one Harris brother: While Jake continues to deal with his personal issues, “He’s not with us this season,” Pritikin says. “He’s got to put some of his demons behind him before anybody lets him back on a boat. We wish him the best. We hope to see him return.”
Sounds like Jake is at, or near bottom. I wonder if we'll receive snipets of updates on his progress, or lack of progress?? They also teased us with the utterance that Josh's dedications are elsewhere, and not to the Time Bandit, and her crew.
I'd almost be willing to bet that Jake Anderson somehow becomes the new Captain of the Cornelia Marie, with Josh as Co-Captain.
Something weird is about to happen, I can feel it in these old bones.
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Post by pamd on Apr 17, 2013 3:07:05 GMT -5
Please, do not take this statement as an insult to the beliefs of anyone. However, if there is such a thing as reincarnation, or if it is possible for the deceased to re-appear and intercede in the lives of their loved ones, I'd bet that Captain Phil has his plane ticket (back to earth) and boarding pass filled out, as he left a job incomplete, and if there is an afterlife, that would have to bother him.
If anything were to happen to Jake, it would most definitely affect Josh in an almost irreparable manner. I know this sounds cold, but it could spell the end of the series, as positive public relations would be a nearly impossible feat on behalf of the network or production company. Most viewers would blame the "deepest pockets" for not interceding. That initial attempt at rehab seemed to be at the behest of one of the mid-level producers, and not an executive producer, or a network executive - which is who should be most concerned with the health and well being of the talent.
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Post by nannyb on Apr 17, 2013 10:40:51 GMT -5
Maybe I just don't get it, but I never thought that the producers had any responsibility to get Jake well. All the money in the world can't get him clean if he doesn't want it. As his daddy always said, "You gotta have the want."
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Post by MaryC on Apr 17, 2013 15:18:48 GMT -5
Maybe I just don't get it, but I never thought that the producers had any responsibility to get Jake well. All the money in the world can't get him clean if he doesn't want it. As his daddy always said, "You gotta have the want." I have to agree since I do not see the DC producers being responsible for Jake finding an intervention for his addiction. He had struggles with chemical addiction without being part of DC. Jake even said in an interview he would either find himself dead or in jail if he hadn't changed during a time he was in recovery. I think most of us would agree it was better Jake be off the show. I watched earlier season of DC and the change is Jake was sad. I would have thought he would be the one who might be captain someday, but as the seasons progressed, you could see something had changed in Jake even before his father's death. The thing I noted most was the Jake eagerness to learn on the boat and as time passed, he would do as little as possible. Here is an interview where both Jakes talk about their history of substance abuse. Jake H talks about an orthopedic injury which lead to becoming addicted to Opioids. transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1104/19/ddhln.01.html |
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Post by pamd on Apr 19, 2013 14:39:51 GMT -5
Where the obligation(s) begin with respect to the producers of the show, is in the fact that they used Jake's theft of pain meds from Captain Phil as a major story line in Season 6(?).
To profit from the misery of another, and not make more than a conciliatory attempt to resolve the situation, is unconscionable.
As before, the only effective treatment for Jake does not involve rehab at this time, he needs to be in a societal setting, receiving Buprenorphine (Suboxone) to control the cravings, then do the eventual taper, and rehab - followed by counseling, and abstinence verification. Much of this can be accomplished by trained family physicians. It took a few years to "rewire" the receptors in his brain to require narcotics for daily functionality, it will take longer to reverse the wiring and the behavior which caused it.
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Post by MaryC on Apr 19, 2013 16:08:37 GMT -5
Where the obligation(s) begin with respect to the producers of the show, is in the fact that they used Jake's theft of pain meds from Captain Phil as a major story line in Season 6(?). To profit from the misery of another, and not make more than a conciliatory attempt to resolve the situation, is unconscionable. As before, the only effective treatment for Jake does not involve rehab at this time, he needs to be in a societal setting, receiving Buprenorphine (Suboxone) to control the cravings, then do the eventual taper, and rehab - followed by counseling, and abstinence verification. Much of this can be accomplished by trained family physicians. It took a few years to "rewire" the receptors in his brain to require narcotics for daily functionality, it will take longer to reverse the wiring and the behavior which caused it. I recognize the treatment which is necessary for Jake's rehab, I just question who is responsible for this intervention. If Jake doesn't seek out help, what can anyone do. Unless he commits a crime or is hospitalized and placed on a legal hold, there is very little anyone can do to help Jake. While a film production company showed a family's problem with drug/prescription abuse, their obligation for them to intervene is not their place because they can't (legally). An "Intervention" are brought about by family and friends and even in these events, no one can forced this person into rehab. What would be unconscionable for those who were filming or part of DC production would be when Derrick Ray was captain if they had evidence Jake was using and didn't turn this over to authorities. But it appears there was enabling going on during this period of time. Unfortunately, Jake may face life threatening situations with his addiction. Perhaps what could come of this situation like Jake's problem with chemical dependency is looking at the core issue and how it begins when physicians prescribe narcotic medication. Jake talk about this in the above CNN transcript. |
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Post by Maribegood on Apr 19, 2013 16:47:09 GMT -5
I tend to agree with MaryC's take on the situation. Discovery did try with Jake. If the network was not behind the idea, there is no way that female producer was able to get as involved as she did with the situation without having the "blessing" of the network executives. That stint in rehab simply did not succeed. There was too much enabling after, especially by his brother, and Jake went into freefall again. Jake is the only person that can save Jake at this point.
Something that has been alluded to on this show before- Jake is definitely not the only person in that fleet who is hooked on prescription pain meds. The wear and tear on the body has to be tremendous, and I don't believe so many of them are crabbing on a deck into their forties without a little chemical help. Jake is a small person who doesn't weigh a lot (145 lbs?). Maybe he just can't be a crabber. Maybe it puts too much stress on his body, and that fuels the whole addiction cycle.
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Post by sciencer on Apr 19, 2013 17:25:20 GMT -5
Someone on The Bait, I think Sig, said it best...'I just hope I don't see him in the obituaries' ,or something along those lines. If Jake doesn't get his act together, the end result is inevitable, probably sooner rather than later. In my decades in the field of addictionolgy I have seen few middle aged opioid addicts coming in for detox.
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Post by pamd on Apr 20, 2013 5:27:37 GMT -5
I believe that Jake has what is referred to as an "addictive personality", which makes him predisposed towards addiction.
My honest opinion is that many opioid/opiate addicts aren't just seeking the high, but additionally seek the self-confidence, ego boost, and increase in Serotonin levels produced by µ-opioid receptors.
After a time, opioids/opiates fail to produce the "high" which the addict seeks, however, the drug(s) is/are needed to "feel normal", and to avoid symptoms of withdrawal.
A commonly prescribed "semi-synthetic" opioid pain medication, Tramadol (Ultram) works as both an SSRI, and an opioid. Although it is viewed as an agonist, and can precipitate withdrawal in the opiate/opioid addicted, some psychiatrists have found Tramadol useful in the treatment of depression - especially in those who don't respond to SSRI's. My guess is that Jake may be affected by this type of addiction.
He is totally incapable of helping himself...
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Post by MaryC on Apr 20, 2013 8:36:39 GMT -5
He is totally incapable of helping himself...
Yes, I agree Jake is incapable of helping himself. It appears no one close to him is attempting to intervene including Josh. Things do not look good.
I think all of the viewers of DC want Jake to get well and are hoping for a miracle.
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Post by Maribegood on Apr 20, 2013 10:45:54 GMT -5
I don't think we can say for sure that no one close to him has attempted to intervene. There could have been dozens of attempts, but if Jake is not ready to give battle these interventions will all come to nothing. Right behind you on hoping for a miracle.  |
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Post by sciencer on Apr 20, 2013 11:10:05 GMT -5
Ditto.
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Post by MaryC on Apr 20, 2013 13:55:21 GMT -5
I don't think we can say for sure that no one close to him has attempted to intervene. There could have been dozens of attempts, but if Jake is not ready to give battle these interventions will all come to nothing. Right behind you on hoping for a miracle. You are right regarding family and friends are doing or have done in helping Jake. |
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Post by elguapo on Apr 23, 2013 21:09:36 GMT -5
Jake has to really want to change, and that takes hard work and determination. And these are qualities that I did not see Jake exhibit lately. When he worked on the NorthWestern, he seemed to do as little as possible. I remember Jake Anderson telling him that he (Jake Harris) should have taken the initiative to ask questions and learn, but he just did not do so.
So if Jake is only looking to do minimal work, then he may never quit his bad habits. Unfortunately.
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Post by ceryn on Apr 24, 2013 2:32:32 GMT -5
Josh Harris Official @joshharrisdc
For those of you wondering, I have purchased the CM! #herefishyfishy
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Post by dovecote on Apr 24, 2013 14:55:56 GMT -5
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Post by dovecote on Apr 26, 2013 16:00:59 GMT -5
I must draw your attention to something Johnathan said in that interview I posted: Meanwhile, Josh and Jake Harris, the sons of the late Phil Harris, captain of the F/V Cornelia Marie, featured in early seasons of the show, continue to try to make their way after their father's death from complications of a stroke in early 2010.
Josh, 30, has been determined to get back ownership of the Cornelia Marie, while younger brother Jake, 26, has struggled -- even before his father's death -- with substance abuse, including a stint in rehab during and after his father's hospitalization.
Again this past season, Josh was a deckhand on the Time Bandit. Even though he's very close to Hillstrand, Harris' tenure there is limited.
"We told him this is his last season," Hillstrand says. "We gave him tough love. If he doesn't get his boat, he doesn't have a job. He can't fall back and use us and be a slacker. He's got to get his boat.
"He's telling us that he's getting a boat, and then, all of a sudden, a week before we go fishing, he's like, 'I need a job.' So, we loved his dad, and we want him to be a man. We've taught him everything we can. If he wants, he's going to take whatever he wants to take with him.
"He swears that he has his boat, but everyone's going to have to watch to find out."So the saga continues. Sounds like Josh will be working on his own boat or out of the picture...if that's the case, Josh will come crashing down to earth like Jake did. Can't make it without their Dad. |
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Post by Maribegood on Apr 26, 2013 17:10:03 GMT -5
Jonathan is right to tighten the screws to Josh. If you love someone, you set them free.
As for Josh, past time he act and not yak. I hope he makes it. I really do.
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Post by sciencer on Apr 26, 2013 21:32:54 GMT -5
I can't imagine trying to raise the capital to buy/finance a boat without having a proven track record. At least Elliot has a history of captaining a boat and he is on the hook for a million dollars. I wonder why Josh is pursuing it. How often did we hear that Jake was the better fisherman and Josh was a more reluctant crew member. He seemed to be on the CM more to be with his father rather than to be a crabber, even though he did whatever was asked of him. I'd like to think that Phil would rather Josh pursue whatever would make him happy rather than buy the CM in an effort to keep a legacy going.
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Post by Maribegood on Apr 26, 2013 22:28:50 GMT -5
I don't think that if Jake were healthy Josh would feel this need to operate a boat. He would have supported Jake in some type of background capacity, and pursued his own interests. When Phil was alive, Josh was quite honest about the fact he was on the boat to spend time with his father and make money. There seems to be some feeling of obligation on his part to step up to the plate since Jake is not in any shape to do it.
My armchair psychologist instincts tells me Josh is doing this because he has equated letting this go with letting his father go.
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Post by dovecote on Apr 27, 2013 15:32:02 GMT -5
I remember Phil saying to Todd at some point that Jake should keep fishing, but that Josh should go into business. On the other hand Phil said that he only made Jake full share because he was threatening to go work on another boat and that he loved having him on the CM, although I don't know which one would have taken him. Phil said he only made Josh full-share to calm the endless battles about Jake being Josh's boss. Neither would ever have been made full-share on any another boat, As Johnathan said, he's only kept Josh on because he (Johnathan) loved Phil so much. And that Josh has seen his last season on the TB.
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Post by rosered74 on May 4, 2013 15:11:22 GMT -5
does this mean that josh isnt pulling his own weight on the TB?
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Post by Maribegood on May 5, 2013 3:15:11 GMT -5
What I am reading between the lines is that Josh probably came on as a full share, and he doesn't spend enough time on the boat in the off season to justify paying him full share. Plus Jonathan is not a stupid man. He knows the only reason Josh is still fishing is because Jake is out of the game. They both have such a sentimental attachment to the CM. I think losing the CM or not having at least one Harris in the fishery has become equated in Josh's mind with letting his father down.
My heart breaks for Josh, it really does. Jake was Phil's favorite. But when Phil was on his deathbed and weighed down with guilt over how he had let his sons down as a father, it was Josh who manned up and eased Phil's mind. When an interviewer remarked over the current situation with Jake and said "You're a good brother", his response is "Jake is a good brother too".
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Post by crabber on Jun 20, 2013 18:40:44 GMT -5
I have a different take on this. As far as I have read Josh only has a GED(no knock on anyone). The economy is very tough right now. I have friends with college degrees who can not find a job. What kind of experience does Josh have besides fishing? While I think he may feel he has an obligation regarding the CM, I also think he may not have many other option. Both Josh and Jake appear to be bright guys, but I think did not have a lot of options due to their crazy childhood. Josh has always loved the TV attention more than Jake. Jake has fished on other boats in the past. I also wonder how he got the financial backing o buy the CM.
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Post by Maribegood on Jun 21, 2013 22:12:26 GMT -5
That is the several million dollar question, crabber. I really can't see Discovery kicking in the money. Not a sure investment, and it's not like if the show loses the Harris brothers it would gut the viewership.
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Post by crabber on Jun 23, 2013 10:30:52 GMT -5
Does anyone know who the new skipper of the CM is ? Is it Tony Lara ? Are we "allowed" to know or is that for DC TV next year and we can't be told ?
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Post by Maribegood on Jun 23, 2013 15:17:33 GMT -5
The information we have so far from a member who is in the know is that the CM will be skippered by a man named Casey McManus.
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Post by dovecote on Jun 24, 2013 14:10:49 GMT -5
Didn't he Captain the Billikin (sp?)years ago in the first season during the derby days? That seems like another era now.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2013 16:23:52 GMT -5
Didn't he Captain the Billikin (sp?)years ago in the first season during the derby days? That seems like another era now. I don't know if he was ever the captain of the Billikin, but I do know that he was the engineer on there for many years. Seems like the captain's name was Jeff something? |
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Post by suzsubaru1955 on Jun 24, 2013 18:35:27 GMT -5
That would be the ultra-hot Jeff Weeks. Not that I noticed his hotness. He was the Michael Bolton of the Bering Sea, long flowing locks.
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