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Post by theboz on Jul 5, 2013 19:46:10 GMT -5
This is the description from DSC site:
It's the absolute worst job on a crab boat — a workplace that's among the most dangerous and stressful in the world. And to top it off, it's pretty thankless. Greenhorns come home to a paycheck that's about half that of their experienced compadres. And, if you thought your college fraternity hazing was rough, think again. In addition to their grueling duties, greenhorns commonly endure hazing at the hands of demanding superiors.
The greenhorn is responsible for all grunt work on the crab boat. This includes keeping the boat clean and knocking the ice off the boat rails with a sledgehammer. The greenhorn also prepares bait, which entails cutting up thousands of pounds of fish and manually attaching it to crab pots. All this is performed in bitter cold temperatures and 60-mph winds, on icy decks. Although the working day isn't long (only five hours of sunlight available in these northern locations), the working night is. The greenhorn must pay for required fishing equipment and a fishing license out of his or her own pocket. Most importantly, this candidate must prove his or her worth by earning the trust of superiors in order to advance to higher ranks.
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Post by Maribegood on Jul 5, 2013 21:32:04 GMT -5
Well, the late Phil Harris did say his advice to kids out there was to stay in school. Said you had to be twisted to do that job.  |
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Post by swan78 on Jul 5, 2013 22:15:35 GMT -5
Their is hazing,and then there is harassment..You have Freddie saying"Im going to make your ass quit" all because Dane not cutting his hair?WTF,in past seasons the Wiz complained about a GHorn not picking up the slack..Now they get one who's willing to work,and bust him for not cutting his hair?.And then put a dead octo in the kids packed bags while he's talkin to capt K.Yeah real cool.
Let me ask you this Boz/Blueknight,what's your cut off point with the
hazing?Everybody has a line what's yours?And don't give me an exaggerated answer..
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Post by theboz on Jul 5, 2013 23:09:19 GMT -5
Their is hazing,and then there is harassment..You have Freddie saying"Im going to make your ass quit" all because Dane not cutting his hair?WTF,in past seasons the Wiz complained about a GHorn not picking up the slack..Now they get one who's willing to work,and bust him for not cutting his hair?.And then put a dead octo in the kids packed bags while he's talkin to capt K.Yeah real cool. Let me ask you this Boz/Blueknight,what's your cut off point with the hazing?Everybody has a line what's yours?And don't give me an exaggerated answer.. I shaved my head before I ever flew out of Seattle. I was "all-in" before I ever met a member of the crew, and I got endlessly ridiculed, and tormented... for my haircut. (the exact reverse of this situation with Dane). I was seasick for 3 days straight, and still filled 400 bait jars on the way out to our gear. I was throwing the hook before my 1st opilio season was over, but then again, it was much longer in the 80s. Dane's "story" isn't special, or new, or digusting or anything else, its completely typical. Most people that "try" crab fishing fail, and they're not encouraged in any way to succeed, from the get-go. You're SUPPOSED to fail, and the ocean and the men married to it will do their best to make sure you do fail. You have to find something within that makes you succeed, against all odds... Then, you're a newbie deckhand (and still ridiculed) |
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Post by swan78 on Jul 5, 2013 23:43:04 GMT -5
A hair cut was no big deal to YOU..Why don't you put yourself in somebody else's shoes?...If he's doing his effing Job who gives?....This stupid hazing shi* has to stop..It does not make better workers..That's why turnover rate is so
high..Compliment your "Horn",and he'll give 100%.Treat him like shi*,well guess what bud,he'll give you 75%..Edit.Btw I'm talking about any manual labor entry job.
Apparently your hair didn't matter as much as Danes..So I ask again Everybody has a line what's yours?..Something you wouldn't do.I.E your breaking point..
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Post by nannyb on Jul 6, 2013 8:49:42 GMT -5
I can see everyone's point of view here, but I still believe that Dane's problem was one of attitude.
If he had been more affable about the whole thing, I think things would have gone better for him. He may even have been "excused" from getting a haircut.
But the way he acted started the trouble.
If he had really wanted to be a crabber, he would have found a way to get along with his team.
I'm not saying that it was treated fairly; I'm just saying he caused some of it.
There are some professions in which one cannot be an odd man out -- like firefighters, or the Marines.
One has to know that his teammates have his back -- that they aren't going to go weird on them.
Dane just takes the world too serious.
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Post by 68md on Jul 6, 2013 9:15:48 GMT -5
Here is where you are incorrect, 20 years in the fire service and my uncle was a marine. First yes there is hazing no doubt BUT Keith is shown after the fight pushing Dane... in both the Fire service and Marines your out for that.( don't touch them ever period) You never ever get physical like that. Add to it that right after Keith walked up to Freddie and said "stay away from him"
I personally fire Dane for fighting because regardless of the reason that can't happen however Keith gave Freddie a direct "stay away" and he continued so if Keith was any kind of Captain he pulls Freddie in the wheel house and chews him a new one.
All kinds of over the top mistakes from all sides in this situation is my point. There are numerous ways to build a team that don't include hazing or degrading anyone.
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Post by nannyb on Jul 6, 2013 9:25:16 GMT -5
I agree that Keith did make some mistakes. I wonder if he is afraid of losing Freddie.
Freddie was definitely wrong to disobey a command from the captain.
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Post by greatlakesgirl on Jul 6, 2013 9:42:03 GMT -5
Freddy is a classic example of an alpha male if you ask me. I think yes, Keith is afraid of losing him, but he also has some fear of Freddy too. Freddy wont be pushed around and knows Keith isn't going to cross him. I think he had more respect for Phil and maybe that's part of the change we see in him now. But then again I do recall the remorse he had after Chris was airlifted off the boat last year. He worried he may have pushed him too much. (Albeit Chris didn't have that cocksure attitude Dane had.)
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Post by Concerned Parent on Jul 9, 2013 18:09:29 GMT -5
keith and freddy need to go, we do not applause bullying and harassment, I am finished watching that garbage.
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Post by long time viewer on Jul 9, 2013 19:35:59 GMT -5
I think after watching this I may give up on deadliest catch. seeing a 40 odd year old man bullying a younger guy is pretty low. I mean yeah its a mans environment but he went too far. and he isn't an alpha male because he couldn't stand up against another guy his size/age and kisses captain a** all day. plus on top of that {COMMENT DELETED BY ADMIN, MEETS CRITERIA FOR LIBEL}. he has issues and I feel sorry for his gf/kids. id be ashamed to have him as a dad
Edit by admin-That is a serious issue and should not be used as a way to throw mud at someone. That part of your comment has been deleted. Make it again without bringing proof to the table and you will be banned. - Maribegood
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Post by theboz on Jul 9, 2013 19:43:34 GMT -5
Just want to make one thing clear. NOBODY on these boats is high on anything except caffeine and nicotine. What they do when they get off the boat is a whole different story, but the boat is the soberest place on the planet, bar none.
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Post by anitalalouise on Jul 9, 2013 21:12:07 GMT -5
Er, what do you base this slander on? Your keen eye in television watching?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 21:56:04 GMT -5
Just want to make one thing clear. NOBODY on these boats is high on anything except caffeine and nicotine. What they do when they get off the boat is a whole different story, but the boat is the soberest place on the planet, bar none. That is most likely the case these days, but since you were around in the 80s,you should remember the days of big time cocaine use, and lots of pot smoking. I know that didn't happen on all boats, but it happened on a lot of them. |
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Post by Maribegood on Jul 9, 2013 22:32:30 GMT -5
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Post by theboz on Jul 10, 2013 0:54:53 GMT -5
Just want to make one thing clear. NOBODY on these boats is high on anything except caffeine and nicotine. What they do when they get off the boat is a whole different story, but the boat is the soberest place on the planet, bar none. That is most likely the case these days, but since you were around in the 80s,you should remember the days of big time cocaine use, and lots of pot smoking. I know that didn't happen on all boats, but it happened on a lot of them. nope, that was early 80's. Late 80's was nothing but business. I fished with guys that told me all the stories, but then the boat seizures started happening (30 boats in 1 year) and that all stopped (can't speak for boats I wasn't around), but I knew a LOT of the Dutch and Akutan crews. |
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Post by izador on Jul 10, 2013 10:24:51 GMT -5
I too am fed up with Keith and Freddy. I am a big fan of the show and was a big fan of Freddy's but after seeing the bullying I wouldn't be saddened at all if the Wizard was no longer featured. Hazing is one thing, bullying is another and the continual unchecked harrassment by Freddy is bullying. This is not how grown men should behave. The other boats give their greenhorns a hard time too but being a bully is wrong. Keith has never impressed me as a competant captain in his dealings with crewmembers and this just affirms that opinion. I say send the Wizard packing.
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Post by svtubamom on Jul 10, 2013 10:49:18 GMT -5
This took place a long time ago and at this time, I don't see The Wizard not being on the show.
We all know how the greenhorns are treated on all the boats. We still don't know the full story but Lenny mentioned that they all got bad vibes from Dane when they picked him up at the airport. So I think there is much more to the story than was shown.
Keith must be a good captain as he keeps the same full share deckhands and he makes the crew money. He keeps them safe-and yes, we know that there was an accident but Keith learned from it and he has never repeated it. He is concerned about his crew and he cares for them which is more than can be said for some of the other captains (cough Elliott cough) being shown.
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Post by junebuggyz on Jul 10, 2013 11:43:45 GMT -5
This took place a long time ago and at this time, I don't see The Wizard not being on the show. We all know how the greenhorns are treated on all the boats. We still don't know the full story but Lenny mentioned that they all got bad vibes from Dane when they picked him up at the airport. So I think there is much more to the story than was shown. Keith must be a good captain as he keeps the same full share deckhands and he makes the crew money. He keeps them safe-and yes, we know that there was an accident but Keith learned from it and he has never repeated it. He is concerned about his crew and he cares for them which is more than can be said for some of the other captains (cough Elliott cough) being shown. I'm drawing a blank on the accident. Can you fill me in? |
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Post by junebuggyz on Jul 10, 2013 12:11:22 GMT -5
I can see everyone's point of view here, but I still believe that Dane's problem was one of attitude. If he had been more affable about the whole thing, I think things would have gone better for him. He may even have been "excused" from getting a haircut. But the way he acted started the trouble. If he had really wanted to be a crabber, he would have found a way to get along with his team. I'm not saying that it was treated fairly; I'm just saying he caused some of it. There are some professions in which one cannot be an odd man out -- like firefighters, or the Marines. One has to know that his teammates have his back -- that they aren't going to go weird on them. Dane just takes the world too serious. I already posted this in response to another post---Dane actually said that 'crab slow things down'. The guy doesn't have a clue. |
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Post by svtubamom on Jul 10, 2013 12:40:23 GMT -5
nannyb, I have always agreed with you on that point. Even Keith made the remark about Dane and his attitude from the very beginning. Dane claimed he wanted to work but implied that the crew would not let him. Don't see the veterans wanting to stop someone from their bait duties as that would cause a massive slow down in work. As the greenhorn, it was Dane's job to grind the bait, fill the bait pots and hang said bait for each and every pot on top of the other things that would be assigned to the low man on the pole.
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Post by kingfisher on Jul 16, 2013 10:24:37 GMT -5
Being high on a crab boat hahahha too funny. Maybe if you had a death wish  |
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Post by Mude on Jul 27, 2013 23:39:55 GMT -5
Ill take Dane's job. I'm 28 years old from Australia. Love to work hard (labour). Currently living in Canada and looking for an opportunity in something new. I'm the sort of person, if you harass me i tend to prove my worth by working harder. I have watched a few series and relise crab fishing is harsh and the people involed are harsh. Give me a shot!!
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Post by wanna be a greenhorn on Aug 22, 2013 0:23:47 GMT -5
my name is taylor rhines.i spent time behind bars and I cant get a break. I watch the show religiously and I would love to get a chance to fish for crab. I am from south Carolina and I know I can do the job. So I would like it if someone would let me know how to get there. thank you taking the time to read this. Thank You, Taylor Rhines
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 17:10:36 GMT -5
my name is taylor rhines.i spent time behind bars and I cant get a break. I watch the show religiously and I would love to get a chance to fish for crab. I am from south Carolina and I know I can do the job. So I would like it if someone would let me know how to get there. thank you taking the time to read this. Thank You, Taylor Rhines You definitely won't get a job on a crab boat by posting on an internet message board. The only way is to contact a skipper of a boat, preferably in person. These guys will want to look you in the eye and see first hand if they think you are capable. If you want the job bad enough, you will have to be resourceful and find a way. |
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Post by orion on Oct 21, 2013 15:50:55 GMT -5
I've watched the programme since the start, and I enjoy it.
However, make no mistake it isn't about 'manning up' its about bullying.
Its utter nonsense to set on a novice then be at all critical that he doesn't know what to do.
The policy of piling on the pressure is because that's what was done to them, and bullying progresses that way.
The Hilstrands tend not to do it, they run a happy boat.
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Post by Guest on Oct 22, 2013 2:13:56 GMT -5
I'm from the UK and go fishing and if anyone behaved like Freddie did which would be considered bullying on any boat out of the UK he'd be dropped off at the nearest port no matter where it was and would have to make his own way home
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Post by Elrin From Canada on Jul 21, 2019 7:48:16 GMT -5
The “hazing” as some of you like to call it is a sifting exercise. When the crap hits the fan hard you have to stand up. If you can’t handle pressure of words out there in the middle of the ocean then you won’t survive. Worse is you will let your team fall apart. Every one of them has gone though it and because they are still there is what they want from the next boatmate. Dane was disrespectful with his “niceness”. Hair grows back. (For most). The capt. Is responsible for all aspects of life in the ocean. You know that when you sign up. Capt.word is law. If you can’t handle that then BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF from the start and don’t get on board.
The culture of the ship is common knowledge. Don’t climb on and cry foul because you can’t handle it. You sanctimonious pricks with your self righteous attitudes telling these people how to do this job and should be blah blah blah. STFU. This is the proving process that reveals people who can fish and people who can’t. Stop pretending like it’s a flower show job. They “softly softly” method will work to bring a guy on. But they won’t have what it takes in a serious situation because they haven’t found the strength in THEMSELVES to stand in a crisis.
Let them do what they do to stay safe and strong. Don’t like it? DON’T WATCH !
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Post by Craig WIlson on Jan 28, 2020 5:07:49 GMT -5
Hi guys at deadliest catch afew years ago i got into the fishing industry as a at sea processor and loved it I have been trying to work my way up and wanted to know if theirs a chance you guys mnight need a helping or if sonmeone you know has a opening I really appreciate any efferts you can reach me at shreds45@gmail.com thank you.
Craig WIlson
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