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Post by darianagle on Jul 18, 2014 5:34:59 GMT -5
What bothers me is that the Producers of DC seem to be showing so little respect for their fans. "We're gonna keep giving you Elliott, whether you like it or not. Just keep those TV's ON!!"
I haven't been to Elliott's FB Page. But here's a chilling thought: Is it even remotely possible that "juvenile" (in every sense of that word) Viewers think Elliott's "W-a-a-a-y KEWL", and Original Productions is trying to change the Demographics and attract even MORE of them? Wasn't OP behind that gag-fest called "A Thousand Ways to Die"?
....Just more speculation by another old "fuddy-duddy".....
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Post by Maribegood on Jul 18, 2014 6:28:55 GMT -5
I have gone looking and have yet to find any evidence that Elliot has any type of significant fan following. If DC is after that demographic, then they need to look no further than the Harris brothers, who actually do have a very significant number of groupies they can translate into viewer eyeballs. That is what makes this Elliot emphasis so perplexing. If you want a multilayer, complex character to occasionally pull "bad guy" duty, you need look no further than Keith Colburn. And I say this as a person with a lot of respect for Keith's accomplishments. If on the other hand you want to pull in a large number of younger fan girls, Josh and Jake Harris have those to bring. I don't understand what Elliot brings other than mostly negative comments on FB. His controversies don't increase or keep viewership. Negative publicity is only good if it maintains or increases ratings. I'm just at a loss trying to understand what the producers think Elliot contributes in terms of the bottom line of money making.
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Post by littleleaf on Jul 18, 2014 8:23:19 GMT -5
I'm just at a loss trying to understand what the producers think Elliot contributes in terms of the bottom line of money making. My guess on this is the word-of-mouth factor. I could see DC banking that 'Sally Smith,' who loyally watches the show every week, mentions how much she hates the crazy and offensive antics of that young, cocaine-addicted, lovesick Captain on Deadliest Catch during lunch with her 8 co-workers - one or two of which may tune in for the first time just to see what Sally is talking about (i.e. 'can this guy really be this bad?'). Result - higher ratings. I remember there was at least one petition, either last year or the year before, to get rid of Keith. I think it stemmed from the greenhorn vs. Freddie incident. Needless to say, Keith is still around. These petitions are a waste of time and only serve to highlight that people are watching to see what Elliot will do next. The only way to change things is to not watch the show at all, which I'm not willing to do.
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Post by bentwillow on Jul 18, 2014 8:41:40 GMT -5
Sigh. I'm bothered by all of the negative energy coming Elliot's way. It certainly won't help him and will most probably hurt him. Social media can be vicious. Even a saint would be disturbed by the comments made about him/her on Facebook.
We don't know the true Elliot. We only know the Elliot DC choses to present to us. He may be bad - but he's not *all* bad.
The guy is fighting terrible demons - which may eventually destroy him. We don't need to help those demons along.
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Post by anitalalouise on Jul 18, 2014 8:53:51 GMT -5
If Elliott was worried about negative energy coming his way, he would have quit the show. Clearly Elliott is of the opinion that even bad attention is still attention, so I wouldn't blame the viewers for any of it. Discovery and Elliott himself are to blame for every bit of it.
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Post by Kat <3 on Jul 18, 2014 9:31:37 GMT -5
I was so traumatized watching him do that yesterday that I needed a hug. **hugs you** LOL Imagine trying to watch this show WITHOUT TiVo -- not being able to FF through Elliott's creepiness.
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Post by darianagle on Jul 18, 2014 10:01:06 GMT -5
Littleleaf is onto something. Also I wonder if OP is trying to pull in younger GUY viewers....The ones who go for the "Meatballs" and "Police Academy" type of humor? These fellows don't want huggable hunks to swoon over, they want bad-a$$ punks they can directly relate to. Keith is far too old for them and not nearly "edgy" enough. I'd love to see a breakdown of viewers by Age, Gender, Education, etc.!.
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Post by islander on Jul 18, 2014 11:24:10 GMT -5
I don't understand what Elliot brings other than mostly negative comments on FB. His controversies don't increase or keep viewership. Negative publicity is only good if it maintains or increases ratings. I'm just at a loss trying to understand what the producers think Elliot contributes in terms of the bottom line of money making. As viewers, we simply don’t have enough data to answer this question – why is Elliot still there? Has he increased viewership? In most of the great novels, movies, operas, Shakespeare plays, etc etc etc., the common thread that makes so many of them great, is a truly despicable, loathesome, SOB character. Even the cartoons know that; the Coyote to the Roadrunner, Elmer to Bugs, Snidely Whiplash to Dudley Doright, (hey, I’m a Canuck... ). I’m not saying Elliot is that evil – he’s just a major-league a-hole. But he serves the purpose. He’s like that bad traffic accident you have pass; you know you shouldn’t look, you don't want to look, but you can’t help yourself -- you look. As Littleleaf points out, Elliot has probably generated more strong emotion from the decade long list of DC characters than any other. Many new viewers will tune in to see what this train wreak looks like, and to follow his antics. My bet is; DiscChan has the data, and 'Elliot Whiplash' is increasing their ratings and therefore, profits.
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Post by Kat <3 on Jul 18, 2014 11:42:48 GMT -5
The OWN network would NEVER stoop that low. Maybe something on SPIKE TV!! That's perfect for Elwood.
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Post by darianagle on Jul 18, 2014 11:53:17 GMT -5
Very Good Points, Islander! Thanks to Mom, Dad, and MasterCard, teenagers and (single) young adults are "Power Spenders". Someone like me, who doesn't divert a lot of her pension cheque to "frivolities" and whose Brand Preferences are set in stone, is of NO interest to OP or Discovery. DC already has plenty of ardent young Female fans. They want more young MALES heeding the Sponsors' Siren Calls and whipping out their wallets.... By the way, if 'Sally Smith' goes into GRAPHIC detail about what she found so disgusting in Elliott's behaviour I can practically guarantee "new" viewers !
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Post by x10003q on Jul 18, 2014 13:51:08 GMT -5
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Post by debizhere on Jul 18, 2014 17:43:19 GMT -5
If Elliott was worried about negative energy coming his way, he would have quit the show. Clearly Elliott is of the opinion that even bad attention is still attention, so I wouldn't blame the viewers for any of it. Discovery and Elliott himself are to blame for every bit of it. I had no idea there was anyone out there that thinks jeopardizing hard working men's health and lives is okay.Or taking command of a floating village while dealing with cell phone disruptions, hangovers and withdrawal is just a "demon" . And it may be acceptable to lick your lips at a female and demand she assume the position....breaking several EEOC laws and everything women's rights are about. The point is this is not what I want my kids to see. Men in power positions demanding sex is not OK .
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Post by jacourt on Jul 18, 2014 17:58:52 GMT -5
He would fit right in TruTV.
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Post by Kat <3 on Jul 18, 2014 19:27:00 GMT -5
Well you have a point. There's a reason why she's so rich. She's talking to Jerry Sandusky's son right now on TV.
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Post by darianagle on Jul 18, 2014 21:53:32 GMT -5
. Men in power positions demanding sex is not OK .Amen to that. Neither is talk about "putting a bullet" in the head of the guy that your ex-girlfriend (inexplicably) chose over YOU. Elliott is a natural for SPIKE TV: "A Thousand Ways to Disgust!"
Anitalouise, I agree: "If Elliott was worried about negative energy coming his way, he would have quit the show. Clearly Elliott is of the opinion that even bad attention is still attention, so I wouldn't blame the viewers for any of it. Discovery and Elliott himself are to blame for every bit of it."
Sorry I somehow "dropped" your Post!!
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Post by Maribegood on Jul 18, 2014 22:20:39 GMT -5
I get where you are going with Elliot, littleleaf, islander, and dariangle. I do still question whether the powers that be are counting on things with Elliot or making causation out of correlations in the ratings. DC has held the #1 spot for its slot in the ratings for men ages 18-49 for YEARS BEFORE Elliot ever showed up. It has successively climbed in this demographic both before and after Elliot showed up. That is why I question that his "gangsta" persona is such an asset to the show that it is an actual cause of viewer increases.
I'd like to see them even try to maintain ratings if the Northwestern and TB decide to not re-sign at the end of their contracts this season. No amount of Elliot behaving badly would help.
I'm partial to my "bad guys" being multifaceted and not caricatures, because Keith to me is a great bad guy. Genuine anger problems and bad decisions, but at the same time is smart, competent in running a dangerous business, and very insightful about the industry. I guess my age is showing, because the whole "what a badass" appeal Elliot is supposed to have for young men is just lost on me. And I speak as a woman who still holds on to hope that once, just once, Wil E. Coyote will get to stomp on the Roadrunner.
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Post by darianagle on Jul 18, 2014 23:13:56 GMT -5
Thanks, Mari --I'd been trying to find some facts and figures but came up dry. I can remember steam locomotives pulling cattle cars down the spur line behind my school, and feeding apples to our Milkman's draught horse, so its no wonder that the rationale behind the popularity of "Beavis and Butthead" escapes me completely. By the Way, Wile E Coyote DOES catch the Roadrunner, in the Looney Toones episode "Soup or Sonic", first aired May 21, 1980. Unfortunately during the course of the pursuit Wile E gets himself "shrunk" and is shorter than the Roadrunner's legs. He can only hold up signs stating, "Okay, wise guys, you always wanted me to catch him." and "Now what do I do?" However, this is not answered as the cartoon ends. No "stomping" on Wile E's part, alas....Maybe next time?
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Post by anitalalouise on Jul 19, 2014 7:08:57 GMT -5
I don't see Elliott having any badass appeal either, though. He's just a dumbass.
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Post by darianagle on Jul 19, 2014 7:24:56 GMT -5
Berkeley Breathed, creator of the "Bloom County" and "Opus" comic strips recently retired both, saying he was disgusted by the "coarsening" of America, --which Elliott represents in spades. "Bad-a$$"?? Well, not really: more like an Anti-Hero. Neither would have been tolerated when I was growing up.....
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Post by svtubamom on Jul 19, 2014 8:45:29 GMT -5
Elliott doesn't need his own show. No one should be subjected to that piece of human waste. To me, he gives a bad name to any hard working person in any industry. To me, people like him and the "k" family, could just drop of the face of the earth, never to be heard from again and I and the rest of the world would be better off.
There are some "reality" shows that I like (DC, some of Survivor)but I am not a fan of the shows that promote nothing but themselves or just plain bad behavior. Promoting crap like that is what (I feel) is causing a major decline in our country.
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Post by crabber on Jul 19, 2014 8:56:35 GMT -5
Meri - I agree with you. Disco has always had good ratings and should not need Elliott. Elliott may thing he is "gangsta" but he is just a crude, immature jerk who is a very immature 31-32 year-old man. I hope both the TB and NW re-sign and stay on the show. I can see maybe the TB not choosing to do so. Andy does not appear to be happy anymore about the whole tv thing(or in my opinion anything else). There are certainly other boats they can sign. But, based on articles I have read, not to many are happy with Disco and would rather not be on the show. I agree with you, Keith is not my favorite either. He had anger management issues that when he explodes, are scary. But, he is smart and appears to be respected by the fishing industry-thus his trip to D.C. to represent them last Oct. I don't think that petition people are signing on the DC FB page will do any good. As others have said, the other thing that will work is if people stop watching.
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Post by islander on Jul 19, 2014 13:01:51 GMT -5
And I speak as a woman who still holds on to hope that once, just once, Wil E. Coyote will get to stomp on the Roadrunner. LOL at Wily T...! Just so long as Snidley never outsmarts Dudley...!
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Post by greatlakesgirl on Jul 19, 2014 13:23:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure if 'gangsta' even fits Elliott. Maybe Wannabe gangsta. To me he personifies the typical social media, hook up generation of today. The kind of guy who will text a girl on his contact list late at night with "Hey, u up?" or "send me a pic" And that is how "dates" are made. For an hour or 2 anyway. If I saw him in my local Kroger I would label him as another white boy trying to look "street". Sagging pants, flat brim hat worn sideways, beater tshirt. (which looked super trashy on The Bait next to the other Captains who had on shirt sleeves.) I just don't see that type of demographic tuning in to the Discovery Channel to watch crab fishing. Whoever said the fangirl population is watching for The Harris boys is probley right on. I think the other demographic is people like us, on this board, wanting to see what DC started out as. Crab fishing on the Bering Sea.
All that said..I believe Elliot is just an immature 30 yr old with a lot of demons who is in danger of wasting his talents and knowledge on stupid choices. I enjoy watching the Saga when its about Elliot rising to a FISHING related challenge. Not seeing him being straddled in the captains chair by some random female.
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Post by islander on Jul 19, 2014 13:41:03 GMT -5
There are some "reality" shows that I like (DC, some of Survivor)but I am not a fan of the shows that promote nothing but themselves or just plain bad behavior. Promoting crap like that is what (I feel) is causing a major decline in our country. Interesting you mention ‘Survivor’ as one of your examples – it was one of the first reality shows to promote ‘plain bad behavior’. It started in their first episode, and they’ve been doing it ever since. In the first episode, we had Richard Hatch who carried on with his bad behavior for years afterwards, spending five years in prison for income tax evasion. Then we had universally despised Jerri Manthey, booed by the audience on the award nights whenever she tried to talk. More recently, there was Colton – detested by Survivor followers as a two-time quitter. There have been dozens more, truly hated by fans, but an integral part of the show and a tactical ploy to compete. Survivor producers have ‘fine tuned’ bad behaviour to an art form, and made it an important part of the show.
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Post by svtubamom on Jul 19, 2014 18:58:53 GMT -5
There are some "reality" shows that I like (DC, some of Survivor)but I am not a fan of the shows that promote nothing but themselves or just plain bad behavior. Promoting crap like that is what (I feel) is causing a major decline in our country. Interesting you mention ‘Survivor’ as one of your examples – it was one of the first reality shows to promote ‘plain bad behavior’. It started in their first episode, and they’ve been doing it ever since. In the first episode, we had Richard Hatch who carried on with his bad behavior for years afterwards, spending five years in prison for income tax evasion. Then we had universally despised Jerri Manthey, booed by the audience on the award nights whenever she tried to talk. More recently, there was Colton – detested by Survivor followers as a two-time quitter. There have been dozens more, truly hated by fans, but an integral part of the show and a tactical ploy to compete. Survivor producers have ‘fine tuned’ bad behaviour to an art form, and made it an important part of the show. If you notice, I said SOME of survivor. I watched maybe 2 episodes of the season with Colton and quit watching. I did not watch any of the past two seasons. I am not a fan of the bad behavior and I can always find something else to do. I did like Colton's other half, Caleb. He was a very nice guy and I never understood what he saw in Colton. Now Colton will have to figure out his life without Caleb. His death was a tragedy. Hubby still likes Survivor, but I find something else to do. I really disliked Jerri, I loved Colby-watch his other show when it is on. Never liked Richard Hatch either.
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Post by littleleaf on Jul 20, 2014 8:33:29 GMT -5
A fellow teacher (a male - quite rare in Middle school) I work with pointed out some time ago that 'guys' (that all important and difficult to understand demographic DC seeks of males 18-49) don't watch someone like Elliot to admire him or even cheer him on. They use him as the base standard of bad behavior in which to make themselves feel better (I compare this phenomenon to when I watch an episode of Hoarders and then don't feel so bad about not dusting this week). Guys can have a one-night stand or come to work late or drink too much and then comfort themselves by thinking 'Well, at least I'm not as much of a mess as that young Captain on Deadliest Catch.' Or they can wear a wrinkled button-down shirt to church and think, 'At least I'm not wearing a wife beater when everyone else is wearing sleeves.' greatlakesgirl - I'm so glad you mentioned that about the Bait because I thought the same exact thing - I think Elliot tries to rub his 'youth' in the other Captains' faces and goes to the extreme, knowing Sig especially hates the 'cocked' hat look.
Elliot only works on a show where everyone else is 'good.' What fun would Teresa G. from RHONJ be on her own show, for example?
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Post by crabber on Jul 20, 2014 9:17:59 GMT -5
Hey littleleaf - I love that name ! I believe I read somewhere Elliott is paid by a sponsor to wear the shirt and hat. He is part of the whole generation of "wanna be" gangsta boy/men who wear the baggy pants and backwards baseball hat-which I hate. I don't want to see guys underwear or their pants half way down their a**. I don't think he cares what anyone thinks about what he wears or how he acts. Well, I am from New Jersey and NOTHING pisses me off more than those jerks from RHONJ and Jersey Shore. Theresa whats-her name(I truthfully do not watch the show) and her husband are awaiting sentencing in September in Federal Court in Newark(NJ) for Fraud, failure to pay taxes, etc. and both face federal prison time. After serving his time he will than get deported, as per his plea agreement with the Court. The same goes for the Jersey Shore a**holes. None of them come from NJ - they are all from Brooklyn and Staten Island. People here are hard working and no different than any other state. I hate it that people see those shows and think that's how we are. Sorry for the rant ....
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Post by darianagle on Jul 20, 2014 17:25:50 GMT -5
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Post by Maribegood on Jul 20, 2014 17:30:53 GMT -5
All that said..I believe Elliot is just an immature 30 yr old with a lot of demons who is in danger of wasting his talents and knowledge on stupid choices. I enjoy watching the Saga when its about Elliot rising to a FISHING related challenge. Not seeing him being straddled in the captains chair by some random female. This x 1000. I'm good to watch him when he is in his McGyver Zone, and that is where you can understand why he was given the chance to be a captain. But I wasn't overly fond of the mating habits of 16 yr old boys when I was a 16 year old girl. Watching a 30 plus year old man and father of two execute the same moves just reminds me of why I hated high school.
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Post by greatlakesgirl on Jul 20, 2014 18:30:36 GMT -5
All that said..I believe Elliot is just an immature 30 yr old with a lot of demons who is in danger of wasting his talents and knowledge on stupid choices. I enjoy watching the Saga when its about Elliot rising to a FISHING related challenge. Not seeing him being straddled in the captains chair by some random female. This x 1000. I'm good to watch him when he is in his McGyver Zone, and that is where you can understand why he was given the chance to be a captain. But I wasn't overly fond of the mating habits of 16 yr old boys when I was a 16 year old girl. Watching a 30 plus year old man and father of two execute the same moves just reminds me of why I hated high school. Unfortunately those are the mating habits of a lot men these days, even into they're 40's. Blah
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