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Post by Lurker on Jun 25, 2014 13:09:22 GMT -5
I'm with you Mari, Mandy is a scripted story and far from "reality". I'd like to see any other non family greenhorn getting away with spray painting faces on a full share's hind end.
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Post by greatlakesgirl on Jun 25, 2014 17:54:21 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I heard Sig say that first trip up was "Winter break" Not sure what month that was though. But if she was a high school senior at the time of filming, she would have had to miss school for opies.
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Post by Maribegood on Jun 25, 2014 23:03:02 GMT -5
Since Mandy is 18 in the beginning of 2014 that would normally mean a senior in highschool, but it is certainly not impossible she started elementary school a year earlier depending on her district's birthday cut off.
So the safe guess is she is a senior in high school or a freshman in college. A lot easier to just withdraw from a semester in college. I'm going to be paying attention to her interviews to see where she left off her schooling.
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Post by Jerkey on Jun 26, 2014 0:26:34 GMT -5
As every last captain who has ever been on this show has said, if you don't HAVE to make a living on the Bering, stay the )%^^(%^^%&* away! Mandy has advantages that allow her any number of career opportunities. So, 1) I hate that she is putting herself in harm's way out of want, not need, and 2) She is taking opportunity from someone else The other thing that bugs is how Disco is gonna make her the hot new celebrity. I honor her desire to be a legacy. She is not a terrible person. Not even close. However, to me, this is a poor choice. It's usually the crewmen that complain about fishing on the Bering Sea. Everything I've read of the captains and some of the veterans who inherited fishing from their fathers have answered that they love fishing when asked why they still do it. They're addicted to the whole process. She may have the same want that they have, same love that Sig had when he was just 13 years old. If that's what it is, I think everyone else should stay the fuck out of her way. If your problem is with how Disco will turn her into a 'hot new celebrity' then that's a problem you have with Disco, not Mandy. Disco is a machine that is tuned to make money, it's a poor choice to think or want them to do otherwise.
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Post by Maribegood on Jun 26, 2014 0:51:59 GMT -5
Your point can stand on its own without the "f" bomb Jerkey. As for the some of the captains loving fishing, sure they do, but for those who took over family businesses, they were also pushed into it. Edgar Hansen has said repeatedly in interviews that his father gave fishing priority over education, and that he intends to reverse that emphasis with his own children. Sig as an eldest son was expected to take over the family business. Junior's father did not want him going into the fishery. Legacy careers are complicated. Sure they are loved by some, but a lot were forced to choose it by accident of birth. After you start running the business yourself and become responsible for the livelihood of 5-10 families, it isn't so easy to walk away,
Oh, this business with Mandy Hansen? Nothing is being done by Discovery without Sig's full buy in from the beginning. So he can cut the acting that it was his wife's decision, or that he was afraid another boat would take an untried 18 year old female opillio crabbing. I'm actually very cool with a daughter wanting to spend some time with her dad in the family business. Wanting to know what he does and be some help. I am not cool with trying to sell me this bs of a woman breaking into that brutal fishery, when she is on the family boat with her father and uncles and will not have to perform like a typical greenhorn.
The truth is compelling enough, the story doesn't need the fake drama.
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Post by crabber on Jun 26, 2014 7:48:59 GMT -5
Meri-I totally agree with you. Like I said before, Sig is some kind of producer of the show and he is taking this for everything it is worth. I don't doubt Mandy wants to fish, but Sig and DC are in on this one from the beginning. I don't think Mandy is taking the job from somebody else as NW rarely hires people outside their extended family. When push comes to shove, I would bet my salary Mandy is back in school next year and not fishing.
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Post by bentwillow on Jun 26, 2014 9:51:34 GMT -5
What seems to have gotten lost in the conversation is that crab fishing brings in lots and lots of money for those brave enough to do the job. So, if I were Mandy, I would be asking myself which would bring me the best bang for the buck? She goes to school, she graduates (we're talking college here) and picks up a job (depending on the profession), in the very best of worlds, she could be making $50,000. She goes crab fishing, at the end of a partial season, she's making at least that and maybe lots more. She becomes a captain, she could be a millionaire. Hey.......I'd go crab fishing.
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Post by doder on Jun 26, 2014 11:35:14 GMT -5
What seems to have gotten lost in the conversation is that crab fishing brings in lots and lots of money for those brave enough to do the job. So, if I were Mandy, I would be asking myself which would bring me the best bang for the buck? She goes to school, she graduates (we're talking college here) and picks up a job (depending on the profession), in the very best of worlds, she could be making $50,000. She goes crab fishing, at the end of a partial season, she's making at least that and maybe lots more. She becomes a captain, she could be a millionaire. Hey.......I'd go crab fishing. very few women have the physical strength to work on a crab boat deck. mandy is a smallest female who has done little if any hard manual or physical labor. all the desire in the world can not compensate for lack strength and size to do a task. her role in the show is nothing more than an attempt to get her some personal endorsements and personal appearance fees.
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Post by bentwillow on Jun 26, 2014 13:30:35 GMT -5
If Mandy learns the business, she might not be part of the crew - but she could make it on the business end. If she learns by experience the effort and determination needed to be a crab fisherman then she would be ahead of the game when it comes to owning a boat. I wouldn't sell her short.
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Post by rosered74 on Jun 26, 2014 15:22:11 GMT -5
or i think in her case, get on tv, get some tv exposre, hope that hollywood comes knocking and then she will get off the boat or when disco cancels the show. i knew sig was some kind of producer of the show, but lost respect for him for this crap with mandy. no way in hell is she gonna pull her own weight. at least andy isnt pulling this crap about bringing in his daughter<s> like sig is for more drama. how much is he getting for this? money is involved thats for sure
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Post by devilstattoo on Jun 26, 2014 17:16:32 GMT -5
Just for the record, Sig is NOT a producer on the show. He had a technical credit in the early seasons, but hasn't had it in the last six to seven years. He is on screen "talent" and nothing more.
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Post by Jerkey on Jun 26, 2014 20:34:43 GMT -5
Your point can stand on its own without the "f" bomb Jerkey. As for the some of the captains loving fishing, sure they do, but for those who took over family businesses, they were also pushed into it. Edgar Hansen has said repeatedly in interviews that his father gave fishing priority over education, and that he intends to reverse that emphasis with his own children. Sig as an eldest son was expected to take over the family business. Junior's father did not want him going into the fishery. Legacy careers are complicated. Sure they are loved by some, but a lot were forced to choose it by accident of birth. After you start running the business yourself and become responsible for the livelihood of 5-10 families, it isn't so easy to walk away, Oh, this business with Mandy Hansen? Nothing is being done by Discovery without Sig's full buy in from the beginning. So he can cut the acting that it was his wife's decision, or that he was afraid another boat would take an untried 18 year old female opillio crabbing. I'm actually very cool with a daughter wanting to spend some time with her dad in the family business. Wanting to know what he does and be some help. I am not cool with trying to sell me this bs of a woman breaking into that brutal fishery, when she is on the family boat with her father and uncles and will not have to perform like a typical greenhorn. The truth is compelling enough, the story doesn't need the fake drama. I thought the f bomb would be censored like in lonesomerdudes post and was just revising what he said. I read Sig's book and nowhere was there an expectation or pressure for him to take over the family business from his father when he started fishing. He made the choice himself. He loved fishing and that was it for him. Junior, despite his father's objections wanted to be like his father and consider his attitude towards his career in wanting to be the best. I think he's made his point repeatedly without having to say the words that he loves fishing. Running any business comes with a responsibility for the livelihoods of families, but businesses don't succeed on that responsibility alone. There several variables that are needed and when they all fail responsibility for employees take second place to saving it. Edgar got into fishing for the money, messed up his life badly because of the money then resigned himself to fishing. Obviously he's not going to allow his children to make the same mistake he made. But every parent knows you can't stop a strongwilled child from a chosen career path. At a certain point in their lives you're just a guide. I like to believe that's the case with Mandy. I know Disco has relished in revisionism for the sake of ratings, but I'm going to bet on Mandy being a true until she does a Josh and Jake.
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Post by Maribegood on Jun 26, 2014 22:44:36 GMT -5
I read Sig's.book as well. Yes, he does say he loved fishing, but there are factors about Sig that need to be taken into account. He is the oldest son of immigrant parents who broke their backs to succeed and start a successful business. I grew up in another such immigrant community. The pressure on the first born son to carry on the successful business is enormous and for the most part NOT carried out via threat or intimidation. It is carried out by using the father's approval as the carrot, not the stick. It is carried out by filling up as much of the kid's free time as possible with aspects of the business, even if it is a 9 year old mixing caulk as opposed to being in little League during vacation. Understand I am not knocking this, I know a lot of successful businessmen who had been groomed to take over small family businesses this way, and like Sig they will all say they can't imagine doing anything else, and they mean it. That doesn't mean their choices were not limited or guided as kids to get the results their fathers wanted. And that burden does disproportionately fall on the oldest. The younger kids tend to have more choices because the eldest falls into line.
Last night Travis was nearly taken out by a pot and Myles is walking around in a daze and puking from getting hit in the face by one. Travis is 2x Mandy's size and Myles's neck is thicker than Mandy's waist, and they were both seriously hurt or almost killed. Are we seriously thinking that Sig is going to put his much smaller, less muscled daughter in line to risk those sorts of injuries? If he did he would be a monster, because she simply doesn't have the body strength for full on crabbing work. He isn't a monster and he loves his kid, he is trying to get her exposure and opportunities. If they had said, hey, she wants to spend time with dad getting to know what his work is like during his most dangerous season, she'll chop bait, cook, help with offload and keep the place a little more peaceful and civilized, I'd be the first to applaud. Just because what she can offer the boat is different doesn't mean it is not valuable. But no, we have to say she can be a full on crabber or it somehow doesn't. Last night while she was packing there were several lingering shots on her cleavage. Give me a break, that is how serious they are.
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Post by Maribegood on Jun 26, 2014 22:56:23 GMT -5
Oh, lonsomerhodes did his own censoring, we try and keep a light touch on the censoring software, so if you have that kind of word, go ahead and put in your own symbols.
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Post by crabber on Jun 27, 2014 8:31:07 GMT -5
Any kid today with a college degree in a desirable major: engineering,computers, business,etc can make 100k after a few years of experience. My one nephew has a degree in business tech and just got a promotion and a raise. He is making almost 100k in only 4 years. I have a college degree and it took me almost 20 years as a political science major to make a decent salary. Mandy seems smart enough that after 4 years of college as a business major she could easily be trained to begin running the family business and easily make more than 100k a year(I don't know who runs it now). I think she can load the bait, cook, be on the deck when the seas are calm picking crab and be fine. She is a pretty girl and will probably have numerous commercial and other offers by the end of the season.
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Post by bentwillow on Jun 27, 2014 8:53:21 GMT -5
Any kid today with a college degree in a desirable major: engineering,computers, business,etc can make 100k after a few years of experience. My one nephew has a degree in business tech and just got a promotion and a raise. He is making almost 100k in only 4 years. I have a college degree and it took me almost 20 years as a political science major to make a decent salary. Mandy seems smart enough that after 4 years of college as a business major she could easily be trained to begin running the family business and easily make more than 100k a year(I don't know who runs it now). I think she can load the bait, cook, be on the deck when the seas are calm picking crab and be fine. She is a pretty girl and will probably have numerous commercial and other offers by the end of the season. I respectfully disagree. Here in Michigan, people with the degrees you mentioned are lucky to get a job at all. Both my son and son-in-law are IT people working for good companies - but they don't make anywhere near 100k. The New York Times Sunday Magazine just had an article about the number of college graduates with huge debt because of student loans living with their parents because they can't find decent jobs. Mandy is on the right track if for no other reason that your last sentence. That alone tells me that she is a smart cookie.
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Post by svtubamom on Jun 27, 2014 15:59:34 GMT -5
Your point can stand on its own without the "f" bomb Jerkey. As for the some of the captains loving fishing, sure they do, but for those who took over family businesses, they were also pushed into it. Edgar Hansen has said repeatedly in interviews that his father gave fishing priority over education, and that he intends to reverse that emphasis with his own children. Sig as an eldest son was expected to take over the family business. Junior's father did not want him going into the fishery. Legacy careers are complicated. Sure they are loved by some, but a lot were forced to choose it by accident of birth. After you start running the business yourself and become responsible for the livelihood of 5-10 families, it isn't so easy to walk away, Oh, this business with Mandy Hansen? Nothing is being done by Discovery without Sig's full buy in from the beginning. So he can cut the acting that it was his wife's decision, or that he was afraid another boat would take an untried 18 year old female opillio crabbing. I'm actually very cool with a daughter wanting to spend some time with her dad in the family business. Wanting to know what he does and be some help. I am not cool with trying to sell me this bs of a woman breaking into that brutal fishery, when she is on the family boat with her father and uncles and will not have to perform like a typical greenhorn. The truth is compelling enough, the story doesn't need the fake drama. I thought the f bomb would be censored like in lonesomerdudes post and was just revising what he said. I read Sig's book and nowhere was there an expectation or pressure for him to take over the family business from his father when he started fishing. He made the choice himself. He loved fishing and that was it for him. Junior, despite his father's objections wanted to be like his father and consider his attitude towards his career in wanting to be the best. I think he's made his point repeatedly without having to say the words that he loves fishing. Running any business comes with a responsibility for the livelihoods of families, but businesses don't succeed on that responsibility alone. There several variables that are needed and when they all fail responsibility for employees take second place to saving it. Edgar got into fishing for the money, messed up his life badly because of the money then resigned himself to fishing. Obviously he's not going to allow his children to make the same mistake he made. But every parent knows you can't stop a strongwilled child from a chosen career path. At a certain point in their lives you're just a guide. I like to believe that's the case with Mandy. I know Disco has relished in revisionism for the sake of ratings, but I'm going to bet on Mandy being a true until she does a Josh and Jake. We censor our own post. Example-write a$$ instead of the other word. We have always tried to be careful with our words as some certain words are offensive to some of us on this board. Beside, one can expand their vocabulary if they try to use different words instead of the 4-5 letter words. Remember the movie Angels in the Outfield? :-)
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Post by Bruth on Jul 2, 2014 0:15:15 GMT -5
Any kid today with a college degree in a desirable major: engineering,computers, business,etc can make 100k after a few years of experience. My one nephew has a degree in business tech and just got a promotion and a raise. He is making almost 100k in only 4 years. I have a college degree and it took me almost 20 years as a political science major to make a decent salary. Mandy seems smart enough that after 4 years of college as a business major she could easily be trained to begin running the family business and easily make more than 100k a year(I don't know who runs it now). I think she can load the bait, cook, be on the deck when the seas are calm picking crab and be fine. She is a pretty girl and will probably have numerous commercial and other offers by the end of the season. Not sure about business. The college majors that are sought after are the STEM fields. Science, Technology, Engineering, Math. I have a 4 year degree in Engineering. Very tough major, but the salary is good, but more important, you're learning all the time.
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Post by theboz on Jul 4, 2014 12:30:32 GMT -5
About Mandy:
She doesn't need a lot of strength, but she needs a lot of endurance, and a high tolerance for pain. While I haven't personally fished with any females on deck, I have met plenty of women crabbers (back in the late 80's when there were hundreds of boats). Being mentally tough is the only real requirement. If she can do bait for a couple days, she's already shown some mental toughness. Stuffing bait jars and cutting cod all day is a horrible job. I'm interested see how her bait arm holds up though. Lifting the bait to hang it repetitively for a couple days really puts a strain on your arm, and is the first real pain you need to work through. You have to learn to use both arms and not sit up while lifting it into place. You need to lay down and sort of bench press it up so you use your big muscles instead of your lower arm muscles.
She's not getting treated like a greenhorn though, and I wouldn't imagine she would. I'm of the opinion its not a permanent thing, as she's just an extra on deck at this point (she's not filling a real position).
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Post by scottsgirl on Jul 6, 2014 16:59:04 GMT -5
Another terrific plot for D.C. Having a female on board is definitely thought provoking. I've been enjoying all the insight and conversations. I also agree that it is different than Donna Q. (Maverick) and Ragnilhd (I have Norwegian heritage, but I'm terrible at spelling) can't remember the boat. They were like the boat mothers (a version of Den Mother).
I couldn't agree more with theboz's comment about being mentally tough, that goes without saying in the fishing territory. Strength is not a bad thing either, along with tons of stamina, and very thick skin. I am all for letting Mandy try it out. She will be the one who will decide whether it's worth it, and if she really is enjoying it. Why make something a career, if you're not enjoying it? Who knows, she may like it.
Keep in mind that I am sharing my opinions and observations, and not my feelings toward the subject. I have grown up with and around fishermen, so I feel comfortable in generalizing their behavior and personalities: tough, tough talking, usually macho, hard working, good ole boys mentality, the brotherhood, fraternity like behavior, loyalty, rowdy, and some can be down right crude. Of course not all have all those qualities or mentality. The fishermen that I know were all born before 1990, which could mean there have been modern changes in the mentality. My father was a half-time commercial fishermen who grew up with a Captain father and other career/occupational fishermen. My dad grew up with the lifestyle and fits most of the stero-types, but he is not as hard core as some. He is in his 60s, and is somewhat of a dinosaur. He is totally against women crab fishing, and doesn't like the idea of women commercial fishing in general. In his words, "It's just not a place for ladies; dirty, smelly, the men are raunchy, and they can break their backs trying to keep up; very few can keep up. Why would any woman want to do that kind of work anyway?" Many of the younger guys feel the same way, and will patronize the women that go into the fishing industry. I know some guys that are around my age (early 40s) who were in the service and they feel the same way about women in combat, or women in the armed forces in general. As much as we women have come a long way, sadly, some of our brothers are still in the dark/dinosaur stages. LOL! I mean that all in humor, as I am not a feminist, nor am I a man hater. I'm simply stating a fact about some men.
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Post by darianagle on Jul 14, 2014 23:05:29 GMT -5
Ragnild (I'm not Norwegian so don't go by MY Spelling) Moncrief was on the Farwest Leader, skippered by her husband Greg. Eagnild was a fabulous cook, turning out fresh-baked rolls and a spectacular chocolate torte you could almost smell. She was built rather like Linda Greenlaw (the Author, and the Swordfish Boat Captain who was the last known person to speak with Billy Tyne of the Andrea Gail just before he and his crew were swallowed by "The Perfect Storm"). Ragnild as a deckhand was pretty good at things like (supposedly) throwing the hook but --inexplicably -- couldn't keep up with the guys when it came to sorting crab, a task Donna Quashnick had no problem performing on the Maverick..
Her final words as she left the Farwest Leader at the end of the episode were "A girl cannot do this job." I personally think DC at that time just didn't want to show a woman working as a deckhand, fearing it would "dilute the Testosterone content.".
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Post by Kat <3 on Jul 17, 2014 12:26:51 GMT -5
I have to jump on the Team Bullshit train. I like Mandy Hansen; she is clearly a smart, decent, and kind young woman -- but I don't see her coming back next season. Dramatic license for sure on Discovery's part. The People Magazine article was proof of that!
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Post by scottsgirl on Jul 17, 2014 16:53:06 GMT -5
I was impressed with Mandy's attitude. I think she is a pretty down-to-earth young woman. She didn't come off as spoiled or whiney. I personally don't think she'll make a living crab fishing, but she can say that she's tried it.
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Post by freddiefan12 on Aug 7, 2014 19:18:57 GMT -5
Would you guys be interested in seeing her ona ddifferent boat? Say she managed to get a job on the kiska sea. Would you want to watch that?
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Post by Maribegood on Aug 7, 2014 20:57:20 GMT -5
Sure, on a boat daddy and her uncles had no control over, just another greenhorn? Yes, I would be interested to see if she could last a season, not just one trip.
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Post by mcl12342 on Aug 7, 2014 21:30:48 GMT -5
Sure, on a boat daddy and her uncles had no control over, just another greenhorn? Yes, I would be interested to see if she could last a season, not just one trip. I could see this too, but it seem to be staged appearances by Mandy with short intervals of being a greenhorn. She really got a lot of TV air time too.
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Post by anitalalouise on Aug 8, 2014 5:55:35 GMT -5
My problem with Mandy is she was not by any stretch of the imagination a greenhorn. She was the captain's daughter. Plus that whole side-story of if Sig did not let her on the Northwestern she would go out on another boat - no way in hell another boat would have hired her.
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Post by darianagle on Aug 8, 2014 6:05:36 GMT -5
Mandy would have to have been crazy to get on a boat full of strangers. I remember Phil saying he once took on a female as a cook -- and what his guys were interested in "getting into" wasn't, by any means, crab fishing...Of course, there were no TV cameras then!
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Post by seasick on Aug 8, 2014 6:12:34 GMT -5
Well, Elliot would probably hire her, if he got tired of Jessica. Otherwise, other types of fishing vessels (like larger trawlers) hires women.
Anyway, for the previous seasons, the running story has been how useless Zack is, and how he failed to live up to his fathers expectations. Before that, it was how Jake H fell apart. There was this guy who fell asleep at the helm at his father's boat, the captain wanted to fire him, but weren't allowed to. (Forgot the boat's name) Mandy isn't that much worse than some of the other heirs we have seen on the show.
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Post by minariva on Aug 8, 2014 7:01:49 GMT -5
Would you guys be interested in seeing her ona ddifferent boat? Say she managed to get a job on the kiska sea. Would you want to watch that?Oh boy, that would probably end badly, if how the crew of the Kiska Sea acted toward Jake, whom is guy is any indication they would treat her worst. Just because she is a woman and Sig's daughter. Not trying to be sexist or anything, it is just past behavior predicts future behavior.
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